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How
has the fund performed thus far this
year? This
year has been tough so far for the fund. Normally January for us is a month
where you get a big rebound because you end up with tax-loss selling at
the end of the prior year and without the selling pressure the stocks tend
to gravitate upward. Last
year was the second year in a row in which stocks broadly declined and we
just didnít see the tax-loss selling, and we havenít seen the rebound weíd
normally see. Traditionally
the first quarter has been our best quarter, and this quarter is not
shaping up to be our best. Can
you take advantage of downturns by going
short? We
can, but really our strategy is to apply fundamental research to companies
in the micro-cap area, and use that fundamental research to gain an
informational advantage mostly on the long side. Short selling for us is
tactical. If we have a highly
appreciated position in a small company, rather than selling the shares
and incurring the taxes we will, if the opportunity presents itself, sell
short an overvalued competitor.
So we reduce the market risk by selling the overvalued competitor
and we donít incur the taxes.
What
are you looking for in your investments? Weíre
looking for equities that are distinctly undervalued by a factor of 2
compared to other public market similar companies. Micro-cap stocks that will remain
micro caps are uninteresting as investments. So weíre looking for companies
that deserve to be small cap or mid cap or eventually large-cap
companies. What that entails
is either itís a very large company selling at a very low multiple or itís
a company with very favorable ìdynamics.î There are a couple of industries
where little companies can become big companies and we tend to focus on
those industries -- healthcare, information technology and the
Internet. We look for
companies within those spaces that are misunderstood, distinctly
undervalued, and have large potential for sustained high rates of
growth. How
do you source ideas? We
normally source the ideas through primary contacts, people who are
directly touching the company.
We often find companies in doing research on other companies --
competitors or suppliers of the companies weíre doing research on. If we find them through brokers it
tends to be 144 brokers who specialize in insider transactions. Recently, weíve been finding them
through venture capitalists.
The venture guys know the companies well. Does
the lack of research on small caps present a problem for
you? Lack
of research actually results in less liquidity, which results in weirder
valuations. It doesnít bother
us because weíre doing our own research anyway. Weíre intentionally going into
areas where you donít have good information on the companies and are thus
likely to find good values. We do a lot of hard work It normally takes us from two to six months to do the background work necessary to get us to the position where we make an investment. Weíre highly selective, probably investing in 1 in 20 or 1 in 30 of the companies we start out looking at. And we start out looking at companies that we think have a higher probability of being good companies than youíd normally get with just computer screens, because weíre hearing anecdotal primary evidence that itís a good company. What
are a few holdings you like? Our
largest holding is one called Tumbleweed (TMWD). It does software that manages
email for enterprises. I
think email is going to be the preferred way for communicating in
business. Being able to sort
through that email to find objectionable or harmful stuff is
important. Being able to
redirect and encrypt email to key suppliers or clients is very
important. Tumbleweedís
software does all that. They
have an excellent board of directors and phenomenal customer
references. I think theyíve
got a distinct lead in the market and itís an area that could be worth
many hundreds of millions or billions of dollars potentially in the
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Where
are they priced currently relative their true
value? How
high is up on this? I have no
idea, but the shares are currently trading at around 4. For comparison, the shares traded
at $136 per share in March of 2000. Whatís
their P/E? They
have no E, thatís the problem.
A lot of these businesses were predicated on free capital
forever. They had models that
were aimed at maximum growth rates.
Theyíve all had to re-tool their business models in the last year
as capital was cut off. We
think these guys will be earning money soon, and we think theyíll be
earning a lot of money. Wall
Street is still expecting a loss for 2002. It doesnít have a 2003 estimate,
but the estimate of the loss has gone from $1.50 to 40 cents in the last
year, so the estimated loss is narrowing rapidly. My guess is theyíll be profitable
by the 4th quarter of this year. What
other stocks do you like? Another
one in a similar vein is Art Technology Group (ARTG). They are a company in the East
Coast doing software that allows enterprises to connect their legacy
systems to the Internet in ways that are very attractive to the
company. They use XML and
J2EE technology, which makes it very easy to integrate with the world of
the Internet. This company
has been growing at a very high rate, at least until this last year. They have enormous group potential
in the future and are trading at a modest
multiple. You
obviously have a lot of technology names ñ do you consider yourself more
growth-oriented than value? In
micro cap you need both things.
You need value. It has
to be the right price. Youíre
taking advantage of the fact that illiquidity in this space creates very
strange pricing from time to time. Are
there many ìvalue playsî now in the tech sector? Oh
yeah. I think youíve seen
capitulation right now in the venture community, and youíre seeing
tremendous values, especially among the recent IPOs. Of the IPOs in the
crop that came public in 1999-2000, almost all of those have lost
sponsorship. Many of them are
trading at values that are below their venture rounds. Some of them are trading at values
that are below their first round of venture funding. There are just tremendous
opportunities for investment. Healthcare
had a big run-up in 2001.
What are your thoughts on the sector
currently? Healthcare
is one of the few areas where I think substantial market risk
remains. If you look at
Tumbleweed or Art Technology Group theyíre trading at pretty reasonable
valuations, but in healthcare youíve got an awful lot of companies that
are in Phase I or II of clinicals where substantial risk still exists and
yet the company has a valuation in the hundreds of millions. And a lot of the larger players in
that industry lack internal growth prospects. What
are you buying in that arena? We
are focusing more on sort of the platform providers, companies that have a
technology that can, say, aid in drug discovery for everybody, and we are
trying to avoid the riskier single-product companies. Among of the ones we own that we
think have excellent prospects are Biosite (BSTE) and Genencor (GCOR),
both of which actually have products (in the diagnostic area) and both are
trading at relatively low values.
Genencor is one of the few biotech companies that actually has
earnings, and yet their market value is an order of magnitude lower than
other similar companies. What
other industries are you invested in? We
also do things in retailing.
One of our favorites there is a company called Restoration Hardware
(RSTO), which is a turnaround.
We think that one has an outstanding potential for
growth. What
do you like about it? We
like the new guy running it, Gary Friedman. He is a veteran of the
industry. He comes out of
Williams-Sonoma and was one of the creators of Pottery Barn. I think he has the potential to
deliver double-digit same-store growth for the coming three years. That type of growth is the kind of
thing that can create enormous wealth for
investors. So
heís exemplary of the kind of management youíre looking
for? Yes. Before Gary showed up, the company
was getting killed and in danger of insolvency. He put his own money
in. He put in millions of his
own dollars, and that makes us very happy. That gives us a high degree of
goal congruence with management.
We always like that.
Restoration Hardware sells furniture and hardware items for upper
income households. Itís like
Crate and Barrel or Pottery Barn, which Gary built from zero and which now
heís going to compete against.
So he knows that space well, he knows the competition as well as
anybody and was very successful in the past. We like betting on guys who have
been successful in the past. ©
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